NEW YORK, NEW YORK - SEPTEMBER 24: (L-R) CEO of Calamos Investments John Koudounis and Investing Correspondent of Business Insider Laila Maidan, speak onstage during the 2024 Concordia Annual Summit at Sheraton New York Times Square on September 24, 2024 in New York City. (Photo by Riccardo Savi/Getty Images for Concordia Summit)